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What were the benefits of your time on site?


Brian in Dome-ville, central, FL said: Kept thing going in the direction we wanted, made sure the work done was done right.
Mike in Bonham, TX said: Addressing questions, issues, inspections

Terry in Santa Rosa, CA said: being able to answer any questions that may arise and fix any mistakes before it was too late.

Jeff in Hartland, WI said: I was on site twice daily -- at least. Early in the morning, Later in the evening. Because I was on site so frequently, I could answer questions and make decisions quickly enough so that subs weren't held up.

The last couple months, where I was doing a lot of the work myself, I worked my day job at the site.  It saved me commuting time.

Jack in Trumann, AR said: Probably the biggest benefit of being onsite is staying up on what progress is being made and catching any problems quickly.
Mark in Provo, UT said: The good subs were facilitated. Materials were not wasted. Numerous opportunities for improvement were exploited. The structure was kept very clean. Money was not wasted that could have been otherwise. Additional ways to save were found.

Brock in Walla Walla, WA said: Getting the house the way we want it now
Pat in Round Rock, TX said:

Your presence onsite keeps trades working instead of just standing around wasting time.  If you see a problem you can solve it immediately.


steve in anthem, AZ said: talk with subs they keep you up to date, they know you care and let you know what they need. any problems!
Eric in seaville, NJ said: answer questions and catch mistakes
Ken in Orangevale, CA said: I got things done properly. We were using poor drawings and suffering from misunderstandings caused by different cultures. The electric receptacles were being installed in all the wrong places. The backsplash on the cabinets was to be integral with the cabinet, but the receptacles were being installed so they'd end up behind the backsplash. The kitchen sink wasn't centered. That caused the cabinets to be off center, too. 
Roger in Petoskey, MI said:

Quick build

Little rework/ saved money

 


ray in richmond hill, GA said: i new the qualty of my house, i could watch out for theft,
Brian in South Burlington, VT said: I spent a lot of time onsite.  The house got completed sooner than expected.
Brian in Manvel, TX said: kept things from getting done wrong
Jedda in Brighton, ON said: ensured things were done the way we wanted
Craig in Green Bay, WI said: no short cuts by works (or at least fewer)
If questions came up answered with out delay


Karl in Reno, NV said: Cost savings
definitely in hampton, VA said:

i am on site all the time the project is in progress


Aimee in Kalamazoo, MI said: able to answer questions at the beginning of the day to prevent most mistakes
Richard in malabar, FL said: Making sure that the work was done correctly.
Max in OKC, OK said: able to answer questions promptly so things could be done my way instead of being redone or not the way I wanted
Kenneth in Lees Summit, MO said:

1) Avoidance of rework and change orders.

2) Regardless of how detailed your plans are, there will always be questions.  We could answer those questions.  Our tradespeople knew that if they had a question, they could go to something else and we would be there before they left to answer the questions.

3) Bringing beer, soda, lunches.  Nothing says thank you for hard work than beer at the end of the day, or lunch in the middle of the day for everyone on the jobsite.  Never underestimate the power of goodwill with the trades.

 


Kathlyn in Orlando, FL said: none - the good guys did good and the bad guys did bad
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Interesting topic. I finished my job five years ago, before “green” was all the rage. 1)      I built on an infill lot that for some reason had never been built on. Roads in, utilities in, any development issues long since sunk. Interesting, the lot I built on was originally platted as two lots way back when; I have no clue why it was never built. When I built, it had been replatted as a single lot, again I don’t know why this would have happened, but my survey shows o
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Previous Owner-Builder Survey

What was your planned schedule when you started out?

<4 months
 
5.31% (6/113)
4-5 months
 
6.19% (7/113)
5-6 months
 
9.73% (11/113)
6-7 months
 
16.81% (19/113)
7-8 months
 
8.85% (10/113)
8-9 months
 
7.08% (8/113)
9-10 months
 
10.62% (12/113)
10-11 months
 
1.77% (2/113)
11-12 months
 
15.04% (17/113)
>12 months
 
18.58% (21/113)
Average: 8.88
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Laura, Working (50 hours + / week) at my full time job, I knew I could not devote the time necessary to help make decisions or correct things that not up my satisfaction on the house. I hired an builder who had retired. He owned his own business for over 40 years, had a good local reputation, and missed the industry.  He also gave me a few names of contractors who did good work. I budgeted 10 hours / week for him average.  When we had bigger events happening, he was t
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During initial discussions with the framer framer, I asked what things he wanted from us to help him to his job. I try to do this with all of the subs as it gives them a chance to provide input and educate me about the work flow. The framer requested we backfill before he started work. I readily agreed even though I didn’t see what the big deal was one way or the other. Now after working on the construction site myself, I completely understand the framer’s POV. Jumping back and forth over the
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116. Buy Early In general, costs are rising. They must be, because Elaine's parents paid $600 for the home she was raised in, which is worth more than $100,000 today. Therefore, if you can anticipate and buy what you need early, you can save in the long run. This applied very markedly to land that Elaine and I bought to build the Riverbottoms house. The land was going begging when we bought it at $28,500. But our local market began to saturate with housing, and open land took a jump in price. Two years later it was worth $50,000. Six years later it had passed $100,000 in value. This does not obviate the need to buy smart. Occasionally we see items like tools and construction supplies at a discounted price which are heavily undercut a year or two later. Know your purchase, shop around and buy smart.
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Thought from the Book
Success in residential construction is to come in on budget, on schedule and on specifications. For owner-builders, I would add: at a savings. The owner-builders I interviewed saved an average of 35% off the estimated costs of construction or appraised value. To me this dispels the myth that owner-builders can't save money over using a general contractor.
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Package Plans

by Mark A. Smith

There is gimmick in the construction business that provides erstwhile owner-builders an "easy way out". It's called a package plan.

This is a way to "owner-build" your house with the help of a company that sells you the materials and provides you a list of recommended subs. One such company "DeGeorge Homes" went down in flames a few years ago in a spectacular bankruptcy. Other well-known companies Landvest Homes, Homestead Homes and Homeworx Partners. In our Forums there's lots of talk about BuildMax and UBuildIt. We counted five of these companies plying the trade at our local Home and Garden show.

When I first heard about one of these plans, I signed up for the free seminar to find out about it. Elaine and I went to a local hotel one evening and joined 15 other people to hear rosy stories of beautiful homes and successful owner-builders. They passed out information packets and we began to see a few problems.

A fellow with a construction background who handled local sales stood in front and started to take questions from the group. We asked one of our questions, and the company president moved up from the back of the room and took a seat in front of us to give us personal feedback. In other words, to keep us from contaminating the rest of the group.

We left with five principal areas of dissatisfaction:

1. Why did they bundle the cost of the land with the cost of construction? Answer: We charge a 10% fee on your whole project for our services. Read between the lines: While the land has nothing to do with construction, we need the extra percentage on that to get by. So we take an extra $3,000 on your $30,000 piece of land, because we need the money.

2. Why do your subs pay a fee? Answer: So we can approve them and make sure they are good. Read between the lines: If a sub wants to play in our market, he has to pay the freight so we can collect more revenues. Naturally, he will get that money back from you when he does work on your house.

3. Why can't I get a sub of my own choosing to use on the project? Answer: So we can approve them and make sure they're good. Read between the lines: We control the subs so we get our piece of gratuitous profit margin.

4. Why do you admit to only a 15% savings on home construction? Answer: That's an average of the savings of couples who have followed our program. My guess: Since owner-builders in my survey averaged 35% savings, the package plan must be making 20% in overhead and profit on the average project. They make $40,000 on a $200,000 house while I do the work.

5. Why do they provide all the materials? Answer: Because we have great buying power and pass the savings on to you. My guess: If they can save more on materials than the average owner-builder, they must be pocketing more than the 20% figured above.

Add to this the fact that you have to use one of their designs, and can't customize in any significant way. They help you get a construction loan, but at a high cost - more profit again. Chapter 11 of The Owner- Builder Book shows how anyone can get a construction loan at a competitive rate.

We decided that the package plan added a middle man to the process and pumped up the cost. What's your decision?


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