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By Laura in Spring Creek, NV on 10/23/2007


We are building with ICFs and are at the point of installing the cultured stone to the ICF walls, but we keep getting mixed information on how to do that.  Do we use a metal lathe and type S spec mix for the scratch coat or do we use reinforced fiberglass mesh instead of the metal lathe. (And if so, what gauge?)

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By Faye in Marseilles, IL on 10/30/2007


Laura,

I did my own cultured stone, but did it with traditional framing (plywood) so I don't know what your substrate is. I used lath and a scratch coat over plywood but on my concrete foundation, I applied directly to concrete.

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By Faye in Marseilles, IL on 11/5/2007


Laura,

It's also a type-N mortar mix.

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By Bill in Largo, FL on 5/12/2008


I'm at this point now. What did you go with?
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By Bill in Largo, FL on 8/20/2008


Laura,

Here's what I'm doing,

Have metal lathe installed using windloks lathe locks...Using type S as it doesn't harden as fast as type N and putting a shovel full of Thinset in the mix. I'm setting each stone by buttering the back with no scratch coat and placing them that way.

 

 

 


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By Mat in Rome, NY on 12/2/2008


Hope it's not too late to respond.

I did about 2,000 sq feet of cultured stone over ICF on my house.  Definitely use the lathe! And use the proper screws, don't use drywall screws as someone had suggested to me. 

You can use type S or type N mortar.  Type S is harder and some people I have talked to prefer type N because it can absorb shock better (since it's softer).  I used type N on my job because it's what the company stocked (cultured stone retailer).  But yes, either will work.

Fine Homebuilding did an article one time where they roughed up the ICF foam and applied the scratch coat directly to the foam and started stoning.  Don't do this.  All of the cultured stone manufacturers had heartburn about it.  With the amount of stone I installed, I didn't take any chances of failure.  The mesh and screws are a small investment vs. the cost of a failed stone installation.


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