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By leigh in knoxville, TN on 8/19/2009


I received a quote for my new home with Knauf WebLok ICF's. My quote is $12/square foot. Is this average, reasonable?

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By Sharon in Pittsfield, NH on 8/24/2009


Leigh,

Is your quote for block only or for complete installation with concrete and labor?

I have a quote with ECO-Block for block, materials and concrete for $18/sq foot with me completing the labor. Simple house basement, and two additional levels, only four corners.

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By Mary in PA on 8/25/2009


Leigh and Sharon,

Sorry if this is a dumb question - but for this newbie, can you tell me if the price per sq. ft you're referring to is for the sq. ft. of floor space or the sq. ft. of wall space? I'm not sure how these quotes (for building shell) are typically provided (in terms of $ per unit).

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By Frank in Lunenburg, MA on 11/9/2009


Leigh,

You should check out: insulatedconcreteforms.com. They have a spreadsheet that you can download and use it to generate your own "rough quote" to get an idea of what you should expect for pricing.  Additionally, their technical assistance via the phone is quite good and they've very friendly and cooperative.  Finally, their system uses vertical forms unlike many of the other systems, which are more like building with Lego blocks. This approach has some advantages, particularly with regards to "blowouts".

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By Pat in Arnold, CA on 11/11/2009


We were quoted $17.50 a sq foot of wall space for labor and materials.
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By Kenneth in Lees Summit, MO on 11/12/2009


When they quote price per square foot of ICF, it is usually quoted as per square foot of ICF wall space. This is how the ICF subs I know figure their bids. Also please note that square foot of wall space includes square footage of windows and doors - don't count windows and doors as "holes" in the wall, and therefore delete them when you are validating their bids. Your garage door is a pretty large "hole" so they may accommodate that one, at least partially. While this doesn't seem right, remember that window and door bucks cost money (have you priced VBUCK?) and take labor (framing and bracing) as well. For ICF, remember your footers go down below ground so you have to count wall space that is below grade (not visible and easy to overlook) in your square footage, and if you have a walkout basement your footers are stepped to go deeper over the walkout portion of your house. It is easy to forget these details when we O-Bs estimate our costs for the bank (if we don't have bids to turn in).

Your sheetrocker and framer likely calculate the same way (square foot of sheetrock, square foot of framing). However I found commercial sheetrockers do remove windows and doors from their bids (they bid square feet of actual sheetrock, thus removing the "holes"). For my house, the commercial sheetrockers bid it $1.15/s.f., the residential sheetrockers bid it ranging from $.72-$.80/s.f., and yet all bids were within about $300 total after they measured. This was an overrun on my part, because when I estimated in my budget, I calculated square feet the way commercial sheetrockers did (with holes), and yet applied price the way residential sheetrockers did (with no holes; I found they would give s.f. bids over the phone, and weren't interested in actually bidding a house based on plans that may not get built) - oops.


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