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Barrel-Race6,990771570
YesterdayHouston, TX

Vilano-Beach--Water-...21,145391170
4/5/2014Saint Augustine, FL

HudsonHouse6,942300
4/2/2014Omaha, NE

Tanglewood86,2537862,22242
3/24/2014Colorado Springs, CO

697MarlinAustinArea1,12818910
3/15/2014Austin/McDade, TX

1860s-Texas-rehabnew...43,037441910
3/14/2014Boerne, TX

Bladenkirk468640
3/13/2014White Oak, NC

P-Wade-Crocker342100
3/12/2014Spring, TX

Shana411200
3/11/2014Chaffee, MO

OwensNewHome59,8091033810
2/2/2014Chandler, AZ

Du-Lock-Lane1,248200
2/1/2014Houston, TX

Family-Affair10,528440
1/31/2014Saint Petersburg, FL

TheCastle9,915270
1/23/2014Cheshire, CT

The-Last-Rodeo9,57127100
1/14/2014Angel Fire, NM

TheHoskensProject58,3751504333
12/31/2013Dome-ville, central, FL

NorthPoleHome30,113341330
12/29/2013North Pole, AK

navarre-village-buil...1,129100
12/26/2013Gulf Breeze, FL

Seven-Peaks-Faswall-...34,710483181
11/18/2013Graeagle, CA

The-Dailey-Project1,739100
10/27/2013Pompano Beach, FL

Beaver-Creek-Ranch30,199213210
10/15/2013Hayfork, CA

The-Cortes-Adventure17,603520
10/14/2013Snowflake, AZ

jeff3,809300
8/29/2013Jackson, MO

Miami-FL-country-hom...5,328320
7/30/2013Miami, FL

Brevard-County--Pt-S...2,512100
7/17/2013Rockledge, FL

Dream-Build-Austin-T...4,096300
4/17/2013Austin, TX

Eschete-Dome22,23330530
12/24/2012Lafayette, LA

ChapelHillNCBob5,509110
10/23/2012Chapel Hill, NC

The-Skimino-Bluff6,9033130
10/13/2012Williamsburg, VA

Octagon-in-Glencoe-C...48,660144110
10/8/2012Glencoe , CA

nateshomemtpeakview4,623100
9/29/2012

sherman19,944221560
9/27/2012Downers Grove, IL

Omaha9,084380
9/13/2012Omaha, NE

Holy-Hill-House16,39035530
8/27/2012Richfield, WI

Omega-CEO5,565110
8/13/2012Manassas, VA

JayHouse10,2697190
6/22/2012Sebastopol, CA

30233,28623770
5/20/2012Belfair, WA

SunburnStateHome6,247110
3/6/2012Charlotte County, FL

VICTOR-MONTANA8,042110
2/22/2012Victor, MT

Houston-720125966,744100
1/21/2012Houston, TX

Workshop15,527630
1/8/2012Florissant, CO

Our-simple-home11,760223080
12/5/2011LaPorte, IN

ICF-Construction19,233500
11/11/2011Elkridge, MD

Little-Help-from-my-...12,21811150
11/4/2011Rockwall, TX

YaNYca13,958810
10/29/2011Boston, MA

The-Man-Refuge10,796310
10/19/2011San Antonio, TX

mckernanmc11,103320
10/6/2011Amite, LA

Large-Family-Compoun...7,400200
9/23/2011Covington, GA

Woodchuck-Ridge10,226480
9/12/2011Akron, OH

Forever-Home-Sweet-H...20,79934310
8/24/2011Issaquah, WA

Clarksville-MD9,020200
8/22/2011Eldersburg, MD

steve-n-carolyn16,2624140
8/21/2011Sun City, CA

Old-York8,104200
7/27/2011Bridgewater, NJ

Carriage-House17,01620282
7/24/2011Ft. Collins, CO

DomeSweetDome22,19218291
6/4/2011Suffolk, VA

Goodpasture24,023562880
5/28/2011Westminster, CO

Marks-Log-Cabin13,874392210
5/12/2011Altoona, PA

Bill21,001100
5/4/2011Tucson, AZ

Mueller-Dream-Home8,750100
4/15/2011

Oklahoma-Steel10,693650
4/13/2011Minco, OK

DutchG8,358200
4/5/2011

HiddenInOhio10,2609130
4/1/2011Elyria, OH

MagnoliaHouse8,807100
3/29/2011Houston, TX

Buffaloader13,655200
1/11/2011Valley Center, KS

SouthernEcoHome27,69120210
1/9/2011Blacksburg, VA

Austrian-Chalet14,079780
1/2/2011Twin Lakes, CO

Vista-Ridge13,13321660
12/21/2010Swanton, OH

OurFarmstead28,330601890
12/10/2010Pennsylvania

AirparkHome-Remodel29,52622460
11/8/2010Hillsboro, OR

Holloway10,814200
11/7/2010Petersburg, VA

Building-Our-Lakefro...9,695110
11/5/2010Piscataway, NJ

SunburyGalena-Build8,980100
11/3/2010Galena, OH

BUILDING-OUR-GREEN-D...9,844800
11/2/2010Pattison, TX

RR-Homestead23,88631740
10/26/2010Janesville, CA

Casa-Paradiso-Vieque...9,784200
10/19/2010Chelsea, MA

Millerbuild11,0555110
10/1/2010Carstairs, AB

Delisledigs11,449300
9/16/2010Jacksonville, FL

h20dave11,305430
9/10/2010Waterloo, AL

Mountain-Idyl11,046900
9/9/2010Asheville, NC

High-over-Lake-Granb...14,50612230
9/8/2010Granbury, TX

Homestead35,84664850
9/8/2010Smithville, MO

philandjan12,900100
9/2/2010

Commons10,115200
8/21/2010Atascocita, TX

Our-First-OB-home10,511300
7/27/2010Gardner, KS

Louisiana-Mediterran...20,063311870
7/21/2010Sunset, LA

Crows-Nest9,786100
7/20/2010

Patterson-Project10,350400
7/16/2010John's Island, SC

Hidden-Meadow-Home12,3922100
7/13/2010Murrieta, CA

New-house-in-Selah-W...10,139140
7/4/2010Belfair, WA

Arnold-CA-Alpine-cha...20,86122100
7/2/2010Arnold, CA

Working-Wilton39,824343010
6/16/2010Wilton, NH

JJ-Residence9,565100
6/7/2010San Antonio, TX

Thompson-Valley-Home10,755330
6/6/2010Monticello, FL

Naperville-Webster-S...26,2642360
5/21/2010Naperville, IL

Gary--Suzi11,013100
5/7/2010

crystal-falls-home28,74720270
5/5/2010Cedar Park, TX

Kapoho-Retirement-Ho...10,845130
5/4/2010Santa Ana, CA

NC--New-Construction10,450100
5/3/2010

Collins-on-Cobblesto...11,43621910
4/30/2010Waynesville, NC

Dwight--Colleen-Hart...11,846130
4/30/2010Vaughn, WA

Riley32,72032950
4/29/2010Cave Creek, AZ

The-New-Ries-Homeste...14,83219980
4/21/2010Polk/Richfield/Erin/Hartford, WI

The-Season9,500130
4/10/2010Mount Airy, NC

The-Naas-Place10,010200
3/30/2010Pittsburg, CA

Phil-and-Lauras-home13,056400
3/20/2010Tulsa, OK

Southport-NC-Home17,476201281
3/18/2010Southport, NC

Loris24,918110
3/11/2010

Seaton-Station10,198140
3/10/2010Siloam Springs, AR

Backwoods-Project14,250390
3/4/2010Jeffersonville, GA

ICF-in-Ann-Arbor26,165293710
1/25/2010Dexter, MI

DancingPines10,945200
1/25/2010Clinton, LA

Log-Cabin10,533150
1/23/2010indianapolis, IN

The-Kinzel-House9,920100
1/21/2010New Orleans, LA

PahrumpProject17,0205390
1/17/2010Spokane, WA

TheBeachHouse14,58713200
1/16/2010Shoreline, WA

Artist-Haven-Home14,911970
1/13/2010Kansas City, MO

SOPHIA--SAMUELDELAWA...17,32911310
12/2/2009Smyrna, DE

Plant-City-Craftsman16,7854100
11/22/2009Plant City, FL

WestermanFarm11,393130
11/10/2009Dickson, TN

Shane22,443600
10/31/2009San Antonio, TX

ADCountryHome12,8211130
10/31/2009Fort Worth, TX

ICF-Keller-Tx51,150321220
10/6/2009Roanoke, TX

digs24,145100
9/30/2009Tracy City, TN

threegables21,329201340
9/29/2009Hartland, WI

LittleLakeCorner72,7101016040
9/29/2009Groveland, FL

Utah-Casa11,536200
9/28/2009Saratoga Springs, UT

Tornado-Reconstructi...10,995800
9/24/2009Port Neches, TX

toolehouse50,217891450
9/20/2009Reno, NV

Bobs-Blog52,913614140
9/16/2009New Florence, PA

Blessings10,151100
9/11/2009farmville, NC

Schrammelot15,9397900
9/11/2009Pierson, FL

PennsmithLostValleyT...35,785552150
9/9/2009Dripping Springs, TX

River-House10,595220
9/7/2009Clinton, NJ

SantaFe-in-AJ10,343100
8/28/2009Apache Junction, AZ

Dennis-Dream-Home29,985385050
8/27/2009Readington Twp, NJ

Massive-Undertaking11,4981100
8/26/2009Wimauma, FL

Lafayette10,241200
8/11/2009Cramerton, NC

Dream-site-on-the-La...11,028200
8/5/2009La Porte, TX

Williams-New-Home-Si...10,281110
8/2/2009Windsor, NC

Cobblestone-Lane10,370100
7/30/2009Great Falls, MT

PensacolaBeachHouse10,185110
6/22/2009Gulf Breeze, FL

12YEARSINTHEPLANNING10,836120
6/16/2009LADSON, SC

Steinys-Hideaway10,803200
6/9/2009Venice, CA

DreamHome29,444261900
6/7/2009Orlando, FL

CastleHeims20,71321590
6/5/2009Cedar Rapids, IA

Utah-Warehouse10,058220
5/20/2009Fairview, UT

Where-to-start12,384610
5/16/2009Lemoore, CA

Castle-Rock-Lakehous...16,28910840
4/27/2009Necedah, WI

Oleg25,894360
4/22/2009San Diego, CA

MoeCompound10,209340
4/9/2009Camano Island, WA

Huckleberry-Home10,300200
4/8/2009Williamstown, NJ

Vonk24,164100
4/7/2009Zeeland, MI

Small-Timber-Frame14,633110
4/2/2009Central Mass, MA

EatonLoch-Haven11,085110
4/1/2009Roanoke, VA

windowsnsiding10,149110
3/28/2009Long Island, NY

Arkansas-First-Timer25,77239880
3/27/2009Trumann, AR

Back-Home-In-Crisp12,387111510
3/22/2009Ennis, TX

Victor--Susan-0820,285211210
3/17/2009Ruckersville, VA

Rick-and-Tinas-dream...11,614120
3/14/2009Auburndale, FL

Keener-Road13,0114100
3/11/2009Elizabethtown, PA

NC-Newbie10,915100
3/10/2009Boone, NC

MadisonGA11,1451130
2/26/2009Madison, GA

Techbuilt-Scammed12,566100
2/25/2009Rebew, LA

choanne83110,161100
2/9/2009charlotte, NC

WilliamsinVegas33,941301190
1/29/2009Henderson, NV

PhilesBryant12,018260
1/20/2009graham, WA

MortgageSmart10,379100
1/19/2009Cocoa, FL

QuarterlyHouse57,801136990
1/12/2009Orlando, FL

RabbitRun19,708311690
1/11/2009Afton, VA

Sonave-Sunsets10,496120
1/9/2009Yucca, AZ

Heart-of-PA16,0809160
1/6/2009Lewistown, PA

Krusehome11,568200
12/27/2008Lake City, FL

BrunkHouseAlmaKansas15,553260
12/26/2008Garden Grove, CA

Raider-Bills-Tenn-Ho...14,5916320
12/22/2008Largo, FL

Andel-Ranch28,252334020
12/17/2008Rogers, TX

Elijahs-Home11,760460
12/6/2008Vero Beach, FL

ranch-house10,392100
11/25/2008springfield, IL

Howard-Georgia-Retir...15,995670
11/9/2008Harlem, GA

The-Woods-Journal11,261110
11/6/2008Doraville, GA

StansTLH15,9651090
11/1/2008Tehachapi, CA

Kevin--Kerrys-Dream11,524350
10/17/2008Northvale, NJ

Katabatic-Wind12,137470
10/16/2008Huntsville, AL

Elmhurst-Modern13,574120
10/14/2008elmhurst, IL

Accessible-House11,5463100
10/14/2008Munford, TN

Cherry-Valley-Vista10,605120
10/5/2008Duvall, WA

Jon-and-Mollys-House18,205150
9/25/2008Ellicott City, MD

Proctor-ICF11,684110
9/25/2008Fredericksburg, VA

Hawaiian-Bungalo18,019111020
9/23/2008Holualoa, HI

Pete--Rhiannon12,683430
9/19/2008Springfield, MO

2008-Cedar-Ln17,50814350
9/19/2008Seaville, NJ

dmaceld20,68514880
9/16/2008Nampa, ID

Help-with-Goulds-and...12,847100
9/16/2008tampa, FL

Consulting10,252100
9/2/2008Orlando, FL

AlaskaICFREMOTEHouse16,65319380
8/17/2008Wasilla, AK

NC-Pond-House11,721320
8/4/2008Wilmington, NC

MargaritaVilla11,320240
8/4/2008Raleigh, NC

Latest-update12,6358100
8/4/2008Sierra Vista, AZ

ANDREA11,227400
8/2/2008Dallas, TX

The-Ridges13,98911130
7/31/2008Logan, UT

Avenida-Del-Sol15,11413520
7/31/2008Peoria, AZ

dream-home-ohio11,286600
7/30/2008Zanesville, OH

Penetang-Craftsman10,907360
7/27/2008Penetanguishene, ON

Tristan--11,376600
7/25/2008Lebanon, NJ

Dreamy-Design-in-Glo...16,637100
7/9/2008Clifton, VA

need-help-Jim11,841110
7/8/2008Bandon, OR

deltona-fl-custom-ho...12,4514140
7/6/2008Deltona Beach, FL

Ingraham-House-Chape...11,687200
6/29/2008Cary, NC

famborgie10,598100
6/26/2008Lockhart, TX

95821-Addition21,8327140
6/24/2008Sacramento, CA

Cajun-Homestead18,98312930
6/22/2008Lafayette, LA

West-Texas-Ranch-Hou...12,795110
6/18/2008Andrews, TX

Quail-Bluff-Pasco12,6139290
6/10/2008Pasco, WA

Spyders-Web10,511100
6/10/2008Norman, OK

mike-and-tori-darnle...13,043510
6/2/2008Rainbow, CA

Lin-Washington10,547100
5/29/2008Fresno, CA

Capernall-House11,405420
5/15/2008Belleville, MI

Hidden-Valley-Texas10,699100
5/7/2008Southlake, TX

cosdreamhome41,314731470
5/5/2008Colorado Springs, CO

Sowle-Family-House13,195590
4/29/2008South Burlington, VT

Cyberdoc-Residence10,894200
4/25/2008San Diego, CA

Fortune-House10,927100
4/17/2008Mooresville, NC

Joeb28,711400
4/15/2008Oakland, FL

Alvin-House11,159200
4/14/2008LaPorte, TX

Thomas-Home--Raintre...21,222271800
4/9/2008Lee's Summit, MO

Greg--Kathys-New-Hou...12,153200
4/3/2008Barryton, MI

Where-is-Waldo28,26744830
4/2/2008Marion, OH

Nimmerrichters-Fores...10,024100
4/2/2008Waldorf, MD

Mayfield-House10,640100
3/31/2008Mayfield, UT

beamanhouse10,669100
3/27/2008Manistique, MI

Kanak-ICF--Virginia15,438900
3/26/2008Fredericksburg, VA

Sheldon-St15,258300
3/21/2008Orlando, FL

Bert-25,774310
3/20/2008Southern, CA

Our-Ohio-ICF-home21,96920270
3/20/2008Mansfield, OH

ericdc11,171310
3/8/2008Uniontown, PA

EurekaHouse-ICF15,0315150
3/6/2008Berkeley, CA

Superstition-Views15,359281600
3/6/2008Mesa, AZ

Blue-Springs-Project12,8368230
2/24/2008Broken Arrow, OK

Our-House10,517100
2/24/2008Miami, FL

httpownerbuilderbook...13,273830
2/19/2008Clayton, NY

JourneyBackHome10,367100
2/3/2008Oviedo, FL

Collier-Home12,811110
2/1/2008Little Rock, AR

DDs-ICF12,347330
1/27/2008New Smyrna Bch, FL

EurekaMT-Timberframe11,9841430
1/24/2008Augusta, MI

The-Larnerd-House13,4635210
1/21/2008Newport News, VA

Casa-Bella11,290100
1/14/2008Pueblo West, CO

Gordon-Lake-House15,30817510
1/3/2008Oakland, IA

STEPHANIES-DREAM12,50517570
12/30/2007Lower Burrell, PA

Florida-Waterfront-C...14,899310
12/29/2007PB, FL

6158-in-Montgomery-T...11,253410
12/23/2007Conroe, TX

ClearwaterHills13,662260
12/14/2007Paradise Valley, AZ

BobDonna9,931100
12/12/2007Sacramento, CA

AboveTheAppleTree9,922100
12/8/2007La Farge, WI

Casa-Nostra12,189230
12/2/2007Bangor, PA

Building-the-Dream-i...13,729700
11/29/2007Gladstone, OR

Ingram-Fleming-ICF-H...16,316480
11/29/2007Plant City, FL

inniagara9,413100
11/24/2007Niagara Falls, ON

SchnabelEstate10,526240
11/16/2007Avon, IN

WeAreBuildingAgain21,31027560
11/15/2007Orlando, FL

Lake-Pleasant10,484210
11/14/2007Erie, PA

Green-for-Dean10,505100
11/10/2007San Jose, CA

The-Ponderosa12,2778220
11/4/2007Perry, OK

FlagholeRoad10,566260
10/25/2007Franklin, NH

Beckynray11,739300
10/24/2007Powhatan, VA

Spicewood-TX12,228330
10/20/2007Austin, TX

Powderhorn24,099481760
10/4/2007Florida

Luray-VA-1stTimeBuil...14,802730
10/4/2007Luray, VA

kittyfhughesnet10,269250
9/27/2007Noblesville, IN

Scott-Family10,871100
9/25/2007Trinity, AL

Taking-the-Plunge13,3656180
9/18/2007Springfield, OH

RozBuildingAdventure10,745100
9/14/2007San Pablo, CA

Helpful-Tips11,839200
9/13/2007Encinitas, CA

Poplar-Creek-Farm13,7765250
9/10/2007Oakland Park, FL

TheWillemsHome21,4601750
9/10/2007Galloway Township, NJ

ComfortHome11,307200
8/30/2007Dublin, OH

10000-sq-feet36,27922260
8/26/2007La Habra Heights, CA

Bird-house12,4273400
8/22/2007Ithaca, NY

Circle-S_ICF_House35,703462640
8/21/2007Sparta, IL

New-England-Saltbox10,728100
8/16/2007Columbia, SC

RamblewoodatJeterFar...11,5276330
8/10/2007Kansas City, MO

Kraemer-Collinwood-H...11,125200
7/21/2007Delano, MN

BigOakBuilderTX14,728270
7/20/2007Wharton, TX

Johnson-Family-Dream10,980100
7/20/2007Normal, IL

19225-ROBERTSON-ST17,67514250
7/12/2007Orlando, FL

Thattle-Dew-Farm10,930220
7/12/2007Halls Harbour, NS

WindyJ14,89011260
7/2/2007Knoxville, TN

Vistoso-Green-Home12,225310
6/28/2007Tucson, AZ

Lewis-Chapel-House16,424200
6/25/2007Dunlap, TN

father-daughter10,484200
6/25/2007Loveland, CO

davewhite11,451100
6/24/2007Nanaimo, BC

NutmegWedgefieldOrla...12,447600
6/22/2007Orlando, FL

4600SF-Dream-Home-in...14,535410
6/19/2007Mooresville, NC

Coeur-dAlene-Idaho-H...12,309240
6/13/2007Coeur d Alene, ID

Tampa-Bay13,897490
6/10/2007Ruskin, FL

Dream-In-Progress14,335540
6/7/2007Shawnee, KS

todd-in-tullahoma10,855100
6/4/2007tullahoma, TN

TheOwens11,643300
6/1/2007Dickson, TN

Country-Cleaver11,754140
5/29/2007Springfield, IL

South-Dakota-Lake-Ho...12,0306110
5/23/2007Sioux Falls, SD

Gods-Home11,169200
5/18/2007Eustis, FL

hammock11,018110
5/14/2007Martinez, GA

Grove-St-Rocklin11,104300
5/13/2007Orangevale, CA

Gardeners-Delight11,939330
5/13/2007Norristown, PA

Newman-Family11,952100
4/26/2007oralndo, FL

do-over-house12,562200
4/25/2007Roseville, CA

Mountain-Building11,334370
4/21/2007Hiawassee, GA

Alaskan-Log-Home12,645120
4/15/2007Tok, AK

Warner-Dream12,853600
4/11/2007Astatula, FL

RehmannSchreiner13,85018150
4/2/2007Maple Grove, MN

outspokenbikeguy13,4994140
3/29/2007Sanford, FL

SmelltheForest35,743471480
3/23/2007Colorado Springs, CO

PolkCityProject15,1607110
3/21/2007Norcross, GA

DwaynePam11,982200
3/21/2007Normal, IL

cypressknoll11,052100
3/20/2007Palm Coast, FL

candlepower19,045241550
3/20/2007Lansing, IA

Team-Rosa11,928200
3/19/2007Springfield, VA

GLOUCESTER11,612120
3/17/2007Newport News, VA

Ohiodreamhome11,9984140
3/16/2007Reynoldsburg, OH

Gypsy-Love12,483110
3/12/2007Highland, NY

Forrest-Towne11,661220
3/10/2007Brinnon, WA

Dreams-Come-True10,934100
3/8/2007Glen St Mary, FL

Almost-A-Country-Gir...10,940100
3/7/2007Addison Township, MI

BrandonBuildingBlog11,735100
3/4/2007Layton, UT

SafecreteHouse12,984300
3/4/2007Raleigh, NC

newbie-12,082100
2/21/2007North Plains, OR

BuzzardsNest14,334310
2/14/2007Saint Lucie, FL

woodfamilyhome12,446200
2/10/2007Keno, OR

vegascastle11,763100
2/3/2007Henderson, NV

newsteel17,729100
1/28/2007Florence, SC

Dream-Home-200712,256100
1/27/2007Gwynn Oak, MD

DelgadosAdobeAbode12,656200
1/18/2007San Diego, CA

bobindeltona14,883250
1/14/2007Deltona, FL

Highland6412,370300
1/8/2007New Orleans, LA

SmallProjectSilverSp...17,6871020
1/7/2007Silver Springs, NV

BeehlerHome22,60611640
1/3/2007Kalamazoo, MI

eveningshade11,972110
12/25/2006Evening Shade, AR

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Shangri-Law

Posted to ShangriLaw by Byron in Lebanon, IN on 5/27/2006 3:24:17 PM

May 27, 2006 and the ShangriLaw journal starts.  ShangriLaw is an appropriate name for the property of the Law family.  We are a good three years out from starting construction on our home.  We (my wife and I and our four boys - and a dog) really need a new home.  We currently live in a 1,000 sqft ranch with one bathroom and we could use some more space.  in three years, my wife should finish her degree and start work just as the youngest starts school and we should be in a better position to start building then with two incomes.

Right now we are in the process of trying to purchase our property.  They have accepted our price, but they are haggling over a couple contingencies.  But if it turns out alright, we will have 3.5 acres for $40K, which is not a bad price for around here, where $20K on up/ac is more standard.  The only reservation I have about the property is an underground stream that runs pretty much through the middle of the property (right where we want to situate the house - including a basement).  As such, we will most likely have to site the house to the front or back of the property (or the side, depending on how you look at it, given that it is on a corner lot).  Regardless, I think the stream may pose some siting challenges for the house.  Although we would dearly love a basement, we may consider building without one, live in the place two years and then take the equity somewhere we CAN have a basement.  I'm seriously considering taking advantage of the 97 tax law and build every two years to build up our nest egg.  It's a nuisance to the family, but it could be a fun time together as well.


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